This conversation was done to accompany the solo exhibition “In the Presence/Absence of Mazen Kerbaj” that opened at ifa Gallery Berlin in February 2020. Two weeks after the opening, the show had to close due to the lockdown imposed to fight the Covid-19 pandemic; it opened again in May 2020 albeit with new safety measures and restrictions. The conversation took place on 26 June 2020 via video conferencing, Hatem Imam being in Beirut and Mazen Kerbaj in Berlin. It was recorded in one sitting, with no prior discussion.